I'm as turned on as anyone by BB but let's be clear: non-consensual busting, except for self-defense, is assault.

[Ballistic]

 I know this won't win me any love here but I've been reading all of the stories of girls hitting guys for  for being annoying, too forward, for no reason at all etc. I'll be honest, I'm majorly turned on by these stories but the fact is hitting somebody, especially in such a devastating way, is actually criminal and if guys weren't ashamed, there would likely be prosecution of these kinds of actions. Think about if a guy just walked up to a girl and decked her in the face. Don't you think the authorities would be brought in?

So, if you think a guy assaulting a woman sexually or otherwise is a problem, then this should be a problem for you too. Now, if you think committing a violent crime against someone is 'ok' because you think it's fun or arousing, then so be it.  But I would be curious to unerstand how you can justify that and (presumably) still consider yourself a good/decent person. I know I often feel bad about myself just getting off on this stuff.

What about you?

[Goalie]

Look, I really don't want to comment about specific members or specific stories. I don't know what happened there exactly since I wasn't there, but if you tell me some guy just walked up to some girl he doesn't even know, lifted her skirt exposing her panties for everyone to see and laugh at or have a wank later... and as a result, he ended up getting kicked in the nuts by her girl friend, I don't really have a problem with it. Yeah, they could've called security, the cops, whatever... OR he could just not have done that to begin with...

[Ballistic]

I guess I'm just saying "please bust responsibly".

Like I said, I'm VERY into BB. But I think there are limits on what we should condone to satisfy our sexual appetites. Hopefully some will agree with me. But anyway, I said my piece. Back to the fun.

[Goalie]

I understand what you're saying and it's not the 'what we should condone'  part that I don't agree with, it's the part where I don't think you understand what little portion of what you read here is actually true, certainly when it comes to those 'over the top' stories (not to mention, the 'way over the top' ones...)

Truth is, if there's some crazy person here who assaults people just for fun and is stupid enough to brag about it here, then we're probably doing society a favor by getting him to admit more of it cause I'm quite sure that authorities in most western countries have automatic tools which scan forums like this one for potential criminals.

[Lexeme]

Great thread and question.  A bit of inner confict is normal and probably healthy.  One would have to be unhinged IMO not to grasp how extreme and debilitating pain in one's sex organs of all places, might not always be a good thing.  Reminds me of the news article I read a couple weeks ago (in BBC iirc) where a boy wound up with PTSD after being kicked.. not very fucking funny, or hot.

I'm all for women, well anyone really, defending themselves from assault and violation of course, and aside from that, keeping BB in the realm of fantasy and consent.  And yeah, my fantasies are way, way over the top. ;)

[charles stone]

I agree with you Gary. I have such a desire to be busted that I think I have drifted away from "safe ballbusting" if there is such a thing. There definitely are limits.

[23b75x9688np2]

http://www.examiner.com/article/woman-arrested-for-castrating-a-man...

[Marina Glückskeks]

I would like to state my own opinion about this.

I think I got what you mean, Gary, but to use the mostly fictional stories as an example might not be the ideal way to get your point across the way it actually should be seen, at least how i regard it, I mean. fiction, even if claimed real, is somewhat hard to use as an effective example. Espeically, think about things like the "faces of death videos, where real contributions and fiction come together, all claimed to be true, i admit we all watched these "dares" for curiosity. But something else comes into play if i think about if somebody jerks off watching that material. then, even the weirdest one should ask himself "Something gota be wrong" :D

videos are a way better example to point out the problematic, i think.

in the old german BB forum something irritated me big time. There were posts that linked to street violence videos and as soon as these actual "crimes" taped on cam contained a random kick into the groin, it was labeled "great video".
As you said before, i wondered too, HOW could these people who watch it consider themselves still decent? O_o I mean come on people how can somebody seriously consider themself alright, watching any of these non-consensual things and justify it for his own egoistic fetish. still alright? Then look waht equals nonconsensual too.

Its a little similar as if someone would find something entertaining about rape videos, they are nonconsensual too, wheres the difference. Yet a little spicier would be execution shootings, imagine someone'd say "Wow, I mind them being dead but i find it exciting to see them dropping" ? people would tell that person to see a doctor.

All the way to watching CP, like somebody would say "Yea i mind but damn i love how it turns me on". Well, i dont know  if people draw different lines about all these things - i consider them all the same especialy since any of these crimes can traumatize a person, so imho, nothing unconsensual should be labeled cool unless the person considers himself evil. Thats what i meant when i pointed out at the beginning of the post that the fictions that are claimed to be true might not be the ideal example. In the case of those street violence clips, dozens of people hailed them - and as you asked for a different, critical approach and you were told this isnt approached that way because its fiction, well, these videos were not fiction, and there wasnt a single critical voice either.

So i think that speaks for itself.

The problem is just that in fiction, the moral and to like it or not is open to everyone i think. And moreover it seems to be peoples most favorite scenario to imagine some guy gets it by a girl whos doing whatever she likes, turning him into a victim. Its obvious that authors want to compete by saying then "my story is even real". so, back and forth, its complicated BUUUT i always think about BB as something sexual, and if i'd kick some guy whos not into it, how is that BB (CBT/BDSM ?) Same if some guy asks a random girl whos not into it to kick him and then says "Got a great BB" - well you got kicked in the nuts, nothing more. To get a BB requires the girl to be a (BDSM) buster. Hence, the fictions that are structured with sadistic characters that walk down the street and kick some non-BDSM guy in the balls do not contain any BB for me.

But thats just my point of view. And now aim your tomatoes but be quick, im already running :D

[Tender Boy]

I agree with what you're saying except the part about how consensual ballbusting doesn't offer much to say about it.  Personally I am always interested in hearing about how people engage in BB in their lives, which is seemingly most often with a consensual partner.  How does it feel to give it or receive it, how hard do they go, did they have to convince their partner to try it and if so, how did that work out, etc.  There is lots to talk about.

I'd also add to the broader topic of "consensual" ballbusting one category, which is accidental ballbusting between friends. There are posts here by men and women describing touch football games or karate practices where one way or another the girl's knee or foot ends up saying hello to the boy's balls.  And maybe it was unintentional, so in that sense it wasn't strictly "consensual" but both people involved are not upset or hurt, and have a good laugh about it, at least after the boy recovers.  :)   In other words, it's not harmful or destructive BB, but perhaps it involves some of the elements of "conflict" which you describe as good drama.

[Rippie]

Why am I moraly held accountable for what I like? I cannot choose what I like or not, what I can choose is how I behave. I do not participate in said actions, even though I highly enjoy watching non-consentiual ballbusting. I am advocating that such actions should have consequences, abuse should lead to prosecution, but when the deed is done it makes no difference whether I enjoy it or not. That is my business. 

Enjoyment is not condonance!

 

[0jvsq1a7v81zh]

I couldn't agree more. 

[0jvsq1a7v81zh]

I completely agree with you Gary. However, I try to avoid making such judgements here on KITG, both because I have no idea which stories are true or not, and because even if I did my judgemental statements would have no effect other than to ruin the mood. I'm not at KITG to change anyone, nobody is going to change their ways over some guy in the internet. IRL I make sure girls close to me know my opinion on the matter, and have heard a full reasoned argument for it. AlthoughI have seen how dismissive some girls tend to be of these things, rather a lot of them tend to agree once they understand the severity of a real low blow.

[Tender Boy]

se li, this is very interesting.  You've had significant discussions with females in your life about hitting testicles?  I mean, it sounds like this is something beyond just the fun of ballbusting but rather your more serious views on the subject (and theirs).  And it sounds as though you were talking especially about nonconsensual low blows.  How did these conversations go?  What prompted them, and what did the girls say?