is ballbusting illegal? :-)

[greg m]

Just curious about the legal aspects of ballbusting..recently I was told that a ballbusting session is illegal..I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but is this really true? :-)..I'd love any thoughts or advice please :-)

[Foo Bar]

In Centrist America, everything is illegal.

[greg m]

What about in Pennsylvania?

[J S]

In the US? I think I could help sharpen your blade up some on that. Don't rely on any of this, though; it's just off-the-cuff conjecture.

Nonconsensual ballbusting is assault and battery (assault typically gets rolled into battery if you can prove the elements of the latter). Nonconsensual busting INSIDE the home is probably domestic violence. Both might also be sexual assault. I'm not sure... I wouldn't be able to argue my way out of a week-old oil-soaked brown-paper meatball grinder sandwich bag in a criminal courtroom, so... maybe? Regardless, don't do it.

Consensual ballbusting in private is legal, and I'm reasonably certain that attempts to regulate it would be unconstitutional. Previously, it might have fallen under some (ass-backwards and, moreover,  hideously boring) States' or municipalities' perversion laws, but Lawrence v. Texas put a stop to that nonsense. We can thank the great State of Texas for having the absolute idiocy to try and enforce an anti-sodomy statute in 1998 for securing the legality of blowjobs and peach dinners at the Y for everybody, and in the process, other perverse and deviant activities... like ball- and coochbusting! Happy, happy day!

Now, public is a different story. How much trouble you might get into depends upon where you live (laws vary), as well as how creative and/or how much of a sanctimonious wet blanket the prosecutor is. Read up on your local laws, understand that charges like disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct could well stick for public bb, and for fuck's sake, don't try to pull shit in the South.

And one last word of caution: in the event that anybody actually gets seriously hurt during... activities... the legal clusterfuck that could possibly result might be visible from space. So please, play safe.

[greg m]

Great insight and well spoken..thanks J S! :-)

[2a4f4q739u5lf]

I have to ask the obvious question...How the hell is anyone going to know what you are doing in your own home?? Cops peeking through windows?

[Foo Bar]

Already algorithms read all our email.  Who knows what they may be taught to target in the future. 

[28q4kjvih4bt4]

Cops peek through windows all the time. JS mentioned Lawrence v. Texas. That was a patrolman on a beat who happened to pass by a house, looked through the window, and saw two dudes having sex with each other. So it's possible. But more than likely, the only way they'd find out is if it was non-consensual and the guy reported it to the cops.

[J S]

I think Lawrence was more a dispute between friends where one of the friends called the cops on the others and made something up about a violent crazy person. The cops entered the apartment and found one of the defendants balls-deep in the other, and, being Texans, decided to fuck both of them up the ass with their crazy anti-sodomy statute. You're likely thinking of Bowers v. Hardwick, which involved a cop spotting the defendant and his male companion having oral sex through an open door after being invited into the apartment by the defendant's unwitting roommate.

But yes, the point stands. There can also be investigations based on testimony, or using evidence in e-mails, or any number of sources of information. Getting past hearsay laws is challenging, but those can be circumvented. The real problem with those types of laws, aside from the obvious failure to recognize diversity in natural and healthy sexual preferences and state-sponsored social stigmatization, is that by cutting into expectations and rights to privacy, they make a societal value decision that two consenting adults' bedroom activities are EVERYBODY'S business.

This encourages spying, intrusion and interference into people's lives, and also turns people's private business into very real social and criminal liabilities. It creates leverage and potential for blackmail that can be easily exploited. Basically, it shreds the fabric of society.

[1mkqlxsafwyhi]

Depends where you are. Technically no one can consent to being assaulted in any form

[2a4f4q739u5lf]

So fighters can't consent to getting hit??

[Bryce Jowett]

Yeah, uh, that's wrong.

Unless you can back that up with relevant law?